5/17/10

On Relevance, Part 3: Aging Hipsters and Cultural Racists

Our culture has largely accepted the notion that form and content are not only distinguishable, but are largely unrelated. For this reason there has been a widespread tendency on the part of ministers in historical denominations to attempt to cloak their churches’ worship in more modern and youthful attire. If we grant the major premise that our historic, confessional theology can be communicated in whatever forms we happen to prefer, the conclusion not only follows, but to some degree demands the makeover of our worship to accommodate our up-to-date culture. But as is often the case with parents who desperately desire to appear “hip” to their teenage children, dressing Reformed theology in contemporary garb can be as silly as a fifty year-old man sporting a brand new earring and salon tan—he appears awkward and uncomfortable, while his kids roll their eyes and see right through the facade.

To quote Dr. Evil (who didn't spend six years in evil medical school to be called Mister), "There's nothing more pathetic than an aging hipster."

Moreover, the attempt to make Reformed worship more accessible to contemporary culture betrays an unspoken assumption that is naïve at best and racist at worst. With the possible exception of the towns portrayed in 1950’s sitcoms like Leave It To Beaver, there exists no city in the United States where one monolithic culture is represented. For example, in the Seattle area there is a seemingly endless diversity of races, people groups, and cultures, all with their own tastes in music and nuances of language. To follow the example of many Seattle churches and simply target the culture of the artist (white, bohemian, unconventional) is to ignore—even exclude—both the conservative middle-age Republican and the inner city black liberal youth. To rewrite the melody to "A Mighty Fortress Is Our God" may be a breath of fresh air to “twentysomethings” who grew up listening to New Kids on the Block, but it will ostracize those elderly saints who learned the hymn from their parents, who learned it from their parents. We freely grant the point that no church’s worship—the Reformers’ included—completely escapes the trappings and styles of its own contextual setting, but that is a far cry from allowing this setting to govern the worship of the living God that we offer up each Lord’s day. Such blatant iconoclasm and a religion that is supposed to be covenantal and multigenerational are strange bedfellows indeed.

What ought to be done, therefore, is to engage in the hard work of determining what worship is before we seek to assign it a particular style, be it contemporary or traditional. If our understanding of worship is inherently flawed then it matters little whether we dress our error in new clothes or old, for it is still erroneous.

Worship is, at its very core, the meeting of the covenant God with his covenant people. This re-enacting of the divine drama is to be characterized by both reverence and awe, and by joy and celebration. Whatever forms that tend to compromise this are to be rejected, be they old or new. Further, as a confessing covenant community whose culture has come to include such hymns as Luther’s most widely loved and recognized work, we have an obligation to sing it and to teach our children to sing it as well. The worship tradition that has been handed down to us is not to be preferred merely because it is old, for it has not always been so. If it is to enjoy preference in the present day, this is due to its faithfulness to the Scripture and to its capturing of the beauty and glory of divine redemption. If the forms seem foreign, that is because our religion is foreign. The answer is not to domesticate our faith or de-fang our worship, but to learn it and learn to love it. If there are words that we don’t understand, we must endeavor to come to understand them. If there are hymns that sound complicated to our ears that have been catechized by “Top 40” radio then we must retune them, even if but once a week, so that we can join in singing the same praises that our grandfathers and grandmothers in the faith sang long ago.

In short, Christianity has its own language and culture, and though these can never be utterly divorced from their contemporary setting, this does not change the fact that they are all inclusive; they just take a little getting used to. After all, if I have somehow picked up what “second and eight” means even though I don’t like football, it is surely not too much to ask that Christ’s people—who like Christianity—learn the meaning of “justification.”

47 comments:

  1. Jason
    I printed out this post to use as an insert in our weekly newsletter for our church but it kept cutting in half the opening sentence on page two.

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  2. This is right on. Great post.

    Is this still the article that was supposed to be in the Nicotine?

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  3. As a 20 something who lives in Seattle area (and a recovering hipster) I heartily concur with what you have written here. I cant tell you how any times I see guys in their 40's and 50's who have a fake tan and dress like their in their twenties. That is bad enough when you are going into Bellevue on on a friday night to see a movie. To see this kind of adolescent behavior in the church is just depressing.

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  4. I'm glad you had the restraint not to mention the tatt of Calvin that Zrim has on the side of his neck. It goes well with the tan.

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  5. Gary: Send me your email address and I'll send it to you in full.

    Publican: Yep.

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  6. Brian,

    I'm as fish-belly white as they come. And Calvin tat's (and tee shirts, etc.) are for New Calvinists who disagree with Old Calvinists about self-expression, restraint and good manners, homeboys being no exception. Besides, it's my wife who has the tat...on her shoulderblade...of the cosmos. Sigh.

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  7. Is there any correlation between reaching out and the incarnation? Did Jesus fit in with the common man without partaking in his sin? How does this all work?

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  8. Michial,

    That's a good question. I know I've written on this before (maybe check under the "Contextualization" tag), but in a nutshell I would say that it is problematic to insist that the church further incarnates the Son to the world. The incarnation is over (and it was a pretty good contextualization job, if you ask me). Instead (as Horton has masterfully argued), the work of Christ is mediated to the world by the Spirit through the church's means of grace.

    So yeah, we need to evangelize. But the whole "all things to all men" argument is weak, in my view.

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  9. Not to mention that "all things to all men" takes place in a context in which Paul is discussing public life in a pagan society, not worship or any other primarily internal affair of the Church.

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  10. Amen! If I may use the Church's lingo to agree.

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  11. Jason
    I can't find your email address anywhere. Mine is pastor@churchredeemeraz.org

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  12. So yeah, we need to evangelize. But the whole "all things to all men" argument is weak, in my view.

    I dont use that passage in 1 cor 9. That is contextually all about love, using our freedoms in love, in such a way as to not stumble for the sake of the gospel. Never understood why it is used to justify mohawk evangelism. That I believe can be defended or at least argued from other scriptures.

    I am yet not convinced from the text that the gospel and our philosophy of ministering it are, one and the same, set in stone. The former yes, the latter, not so sure.

    I have my preferences, as I think do all on which philosophy of ministry one adopts. My concerns are that I only find principles in the text such as doing all things decently and in order, and not using freedoms to the expense of the edification of others and the gospel.

    What I do not find in the text are set guidelines for their application. Obviously things which are a violation of scripture are ruled out. Please show me the textual support for which forms are acceptable and which are not. And are some things guided by cultural and temporal influences outside of the scripture, ie.headcoverings and males and females sitting on separate sides of the church?

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  13. The RPW is a bit more narrow than what you describe here, Jason, no?

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  14. Michial,

    You're right, Scripture doesn't furnish us with a list of forms to avoid or employ (with exceptions such as the Lord's Prayer, &c). The key, I think, is in choosing forms that can convey the content that Scripture does provide.

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  15. Chris,

    Could you be more specific?

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  16. The key, I think, is in choosing forms that can convey the content that Scripture does provide.

    Iam with you on that. However becuase there are only those guiding principles(that I am aware of at this point which I mentioned earlier)we should be charitable and try and have more understanding towards others with different tastes. Obviously we are not talking coke and pizza Lords suppers. I am speaking about, style of song, can speakers or a projector be used, how about drums,etc. The RPW does not address those. And if the content is the same but one is accapella vs guitars who can say with textual support one is more honoring to God than the other. I am sure everyone on this blog loathes Mark Driscoll but he does have some good points in his book "Religion Saves" the last chapter is on the RPW.

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  17. However becuase there are only those guiding principles(that I am aware of at this point which I mentioned earlier)we should be charitable and try and have more understanding towards others with different tastes.

    Michial, I think what you’re suggesting here is a principle of liberty of conscience. There are two ways to understand this principle. The first is to say that the RPW is interested in conscience, which is why it seeks in worship to do whatever is prescribed in Scripture by command, precept or example, or which can be deduced by good and necessary consequence (and that whatever is not commanded or cannot be deduced by good and necessary consequence from the Scripture is prohibited). If this principle isn’t followed it tends naturally to bind consciences. Charity doesn’t turn on “tastes” or “styles” but upon what is prescribed or forbidden.

    The second is in relation to matters indifferent, as in something like politics or “worldly amusements.” So we should be charitable towards those who have different political persuasions than we do. But when it comes to worship (or theological precision) we actually should as intolerant as we are tolerant with politics. The funny thing is how those who don’t make these distinctions tend to reverse that; the upshot is a bunch of neo-cons (or progressives) whose worship is unpredictable, unregulated and, well, un-Reformed.

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  18. Ahhh.. thank you for pointing that info out Zrim. Iam not as versed as you all on these matters. Can someone please tell me or show me from scripture explicitely or implicitely by good and necessary consequence which order of worship is allowed. I know folks have convictions on this site and obviously base them on scripture so please share.

    Let's take some of the Acts 29 churches in the Seattle area. I have friends in a few and have been to a few myself. They are contemporary and casual. They play hymns on modern instruments, have a confession of sin, expositional teaching,preach the gospel, giving, breaking of bread in the Supper weekly.

    Please explain with scripture and its GNC how these churches liturgy is displeasing to, or against God's will, because obviously what you are advocating is God's will or you wouldnt be doing it. You help is appreciated.

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  19. Could you be more specific?

    It seems to me you're working from the assumption that Forms of worship can change (that God's people can express themselves contextually, not by inventing new elements of worship, but by adapting worship—such as rites, ceremonies, special days—to their times and places) insofar as they're "characterized by both reverence and awe, and by joy and celebration."

    But doesn't the RPW suggests otherwise?

    It seems to me that at its core, the RPW is simply unable to make good on its intention—to provide a clear-cut applicable principle to the worship of God's people down through the ages, transcending those ages.

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  20. Chris Donato said
    It seems to me you're working from the assumption that Forms of worship can change (that God's people can express themselves contextually, not by inventing new elements of worship, but by adapting worship—such as rites, ceremonies, special days—to their times and places) insofar as they're "characterized by both reverence and awe, and by joy and celebration."
    Michial says

    In the scriptures we see glimpses of corporate worship
    Acts 2:42
    And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
    1 Cor 16:1-2
    1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given orders to the churches of Galatia, so you must do also: 2 On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.
    1 Cor 11-The Supper of the Lord
    Regarding singing of praise I couldnt find anything regarding corporate instructions, maybe Eph 5:17ff as well as the psalms in the OT

    There are principles such as doing everything for Gods glory out of thankfulness, that it be based upon Gods word(which relates to the content of our songs and hymns, and preaching,etc. Col 3:16
    Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17 And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

    1 Cor 12-14
    Discusses the gifts of the Spirit and how love should guide their use. Worship should be edifying and understandable, done decently and in order. It should seek to edify the saved and win the lost, who happen to attend the service. All of that is in those 3 chapters.

    There are also practices or customs which seemed to be related to cultural situations which we may or may not observe that may or may not be applicable for us, but their implications may continue:
    haircut length, headcoverings, women speaking in church(not arguing for female leadership so I assume my point is understood)

    However all that said, there is nothing about a Pastor's attire(unless it violates a biblical principle or command-same with all these things) I mean the pastor should preach nude right? or wear a hooters shirt, right? however if he wants to don a Hillo Hattie Hawaiian, or a plain t, is he less spiritual than Judge wopner in a Genevan gown. Boths garbs will offend one segment of society. Is there a universal godly attire ordained of God? no.

    What about what kind of instruments? The psalter says stringed instruments. Iam sure if King David hot voltage in the wall he would have availed himself of an electric lyre. DOnt think God is a technophob, nor were the instruments during the Davidic reign not current for the time. SHould it be reverent and support the content-obviously! But who is the judge on what chord progression is reverent?You, me? Calvin was accused of his fanciful Genevan jigs-Louis Bourgeois' compositions were contemporary sounding to the time.

    What about powerpoint and projectors? Microphones? How are the chairs to be set up, should there be chairs? Should there be a chancel or a stage, should the Pastor sit on a stool. Can he leave the confines of the pulpit and walk, or is it more Godly to stand still? Not trying to be sarcastic just curious.

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  21. Obviously the myriad of content regarding the preaching and rule of the church in the Pastoral epistles. SO that was not mentioned on purpose.

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  22. Michial, you do realize I was answering Jason's question—not your post that appeared before mine?

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  23. Now I do? Nothing personal to anyone. Curious about it all. I see so much vigor, and I prefer the more traditional myself, but I feel there is more personal preference than Divine Dictum behind many arguments over this subject. I dont deny "elements" or content should be be sacrificed, but some people really get bent out of shape over circumstance and style though the message and content stays the same. Nothing personal toward you. I apologize for quoting you.
    Blessings to you.

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  24. If you can find me someone that connects preaching from a stool, electric guitars, and powerpoint with "reverent" then we'll talk. Otherwise, it's awfully hard to make a case for anything other than traditional worship.

    Now, I don't want anyone to take my directness for condescension so let me clarify. We have inherited social norms relating to reverential atmosphere, joyful celebration, etc. It would be silly for us to attempt to redefine reverence in an effort to make worship palatable to a society in which reverence is lacking even in important public events. The word still has meaning and it's hardly our fault if people don't understand it. What I'm trying to get at I suppose is the idea that we should just do what we've always done in the Church and not give a hoot what society thinks. All this catering to the tastes of the unchurched is a massive waste of time. It is impossible for the unbeliever to worship since he is unregenerate. After being regenerate, he must be taught how to grow to love our received form of worship just as he is taught how to love some very difficult doctrines. It's all one package and separating the two is dividing the Church.

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  25. If you can find me someone that connects preaching from a stool, electric guitars, and powerpoint with "reverent" then we'll talk. Otherwise, it's awfully hard to make a case for anything other than traditional worship.

    So God's providence has given us a social normative relating to a reverential atmosphere?
    Which social normative? Tied to which tradition and geographic area? I seem to recall Jesus sitting on occasions without a pulpit. Iam sure if electricity were around when David was and electric guitars were used just as much in society he would still encourage praiseing the Lord with "stringed instruments".

    I have heard and partaken in some sublime reverence both out of the Trinity hymnal acapella, and also hearing "What wondrous love is this in full bore electric, drums, bass,etc guitar richness at another PCA. Ive also been blessed hearing full strings at a PCA as well. I sang the psalter at a Reformed Presbyterian Church. They were all very reverent, one not more than the other. There is nothing "unchurched" or "catering" about an electric guitar or the so-called traditional way. Do you really want to say God is more fond of non-electric. Both can fall into that syndrome, but there is nothing intrinsically holy or unholy about the instrument, nor does a denial of traditional indicate immaturity.

    All the best to you Evan. Nothing personal but I would love scriptural support either direct or inferential. Good and necessary consequence works for me too. I say enjoy your church but realize reverence and awe are not confined to a 17th century Anglo model or the traditional.

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  26. Evan,

    Otherwise, it's awfully hard to make a case for anything other than traditional worship.

    Define 'traditional worship.'

    What boxes need to be ticked off for worship to be 'traditional?'

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  27. The whole problem with this debate is that there simply isn't Scriptural support for style- and rightly so. God gave us the elements but not the circumstances. What we have to do is take those elements and ask the question "How do we perform these in our cultural context." What constitutes reverence for a 20th century American will not be the same as reverence for a 20th century Kenyan. Having that as a given, we have to ask, within our cultural context, "What are the cultural norms relating to reverence and order?" In the broad trend of Western society, there is a pretty clean consensus on what that means. I've never been anywhere in America where someone would think powerpoint, for example, was reverent. So associations and cultural norms are important. We also have to consider what has been passed down to us by our fathers. What did they consider beneficial? I don't think anyone here would suggest that we take a Genevan liturgy and replicate it down to every last detail. There must be change over time. Still, that does not justify introducing new stylistic forms that are out of sync with what the Church universal has deemed appropriate over the past 2,000 years. The Reformers reformed rather than created anew for good reason- they saw a great deal of benefit in what their fathers had produced, errors in form aside. Reformed worship is not of the same style as its Roman predecessor but it is a recognizable outgrowth. Worship today should be the same. The introduction of music that sounds like it could be played on popular radio and the types of informalities commonly practiced in evangelicalism at large are simply not compatible with the examples we have been given by the great ancestors in the Faith. We dishonor the Communion of the Saints when we strike out on our own and insist we know better than they did how to worship God. If we claim to respect their contributions, we will incorporate much of what they have left behind for us into our own services of worship. We will grow to understand it and to love it and, out of that understanding will come new production of the same quality. Imagine a poet trying to write poetry without knowing and loving all kinds of poetry from the past. His productions can't possibly be of the same value. The same, I firmly believe, applies to worship. New songs, new choral pieces, etc. are to be hoped for but if they're not at least as good as the old there's no sense in using them.

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  28. Evan said
    The whole problem with this debate is that there simply isn't Scriptural support
    "Exactly!" But without scriptural support you cast judgements upon those who differ from something without scriptural support. You said they were merely "silly" "making worship palatable to society" or "Catering to the unchurched" or "diving the church". I think those are very harsh words and serious ones at that.

    The traditional style some of us prefer was once not traditional but was current at one time, and not borne out of a vacuum from it's contempory society. They threw veggies at Beethoven, now his masses are praised for their traditional musical composition.

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  29. So I suppose one could argue froma social context contemporary worship styles are wrong, just like in bible times the Paul told the women not to cut their hair and be confused for temple prostitutes. But Iam not sure the contemporary situation holds the same weight. Does using guitars cause us to be confused and appear to be drug addicts or something, not sure. As those churches usually are not full of drug addicts but soccermoms etc. So not sure its the same stigma as some may associate it with.

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  30. Way to take part of my reply out of its context, Michial. :-P

    If this is really a question of how we view those things we consider contemporary, consider this: what has been, in any given period, contemporary has been one of two things- either a reaction against what came before or an organic outgrowth of what came before. Beethoven, since you reference him, was a well-educated composer of the highest ability whose works, despite their apparent unfamiliarity, were drawn out of a long-standing compositional tradition going all the way back to the early Renaissance. His work falls into the second category as does all valid contemporary expression. The former category- those things that are reactions against a tradition- never end up as anything more than they are- reactions. Their impact is solely negative. What most people consider contemporary today falls into the category of reaction. There is, however, an alternative strand available to us that has been little explored but which is much more representative of the broader trends in church music. It does draw from tradition but is also clearly contemporary in its expression- a true organic outgrowth. Composers like the Lutheran Egil Hovland, Arvo Part, John Tavener, Knut Nystedt, Eric Whitacre, Roman Catholic James MacMillan, Rihards Dubra, and others whose work is less prominent, have been producing work for the Church for years. Their music is much like Beethoven's for many listeners; it often takes getting used to. I can assure you that their work will last. I believe the answer to our musical questions lies here, not in the rock-pop inspired experiments of disillusioned, anti-establishment hippies and subjectivist Boomers. If we can harness the compositional techniques and sounds of these truly contemporary composers we may just be able to produce something of lasting value that will be lauded by those within the Church and without as being of recognizable quality. If, however, we persist in propagating music of questionable quality and provenance we'll see only continual decline and the Church will be a laughingstock- not for our doctrine but for the artistic poverty with which we attempt to clothe the greatest of Words.

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  31. Didnt think I took you out of context. Sorry. Iam done here. Wow.

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  32. Dude, smiley faces mean that the comment shouldn't be taken seriously. I had no intention of being offensive and I apologize.

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  33. apology accepted. Iam right with you as far as preference of liturgy. Im trad all the way. I just cannot find justification in the scriptures to knock others with the correct elements and content with gibsons and projectors. I say Lord bless them and may their theology be fruitful in the land and time God placed them without sacrificing His glory and honor. And thank God He is doing just that.

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  34. I can't find justification in the Scriptures to knock those who choose to drive a Hummer but I still think it's poor stewardship. The worship question is rather like that. We're not bold because there isn't a chapter and verse answer even though our God-given reason gives us some very clear arguments. I think it's false charity not to fight for something when our heritage, reason, and (at least for me) conscience call for it.

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  35. Pax tibi et Ecclesiae Dei

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  36. Chris,

    It seems to me that at its core, the RPW is simply unable to make good on its intention—to provide a clear-cut applicable principle to the worship of God's people down through the ages, transcending those ages.

    Well, on the one hand I understand the frustration that the RPW can cause. Someone once asked an interesting question about Paul's statement to the Corinthians about the Supper, "The rest I'll set in order when I get there." They asked if whatever instruction he gave the Corinthians had to be set aside once Paul died since now (in a post-apostolic church) everything must be governed by Scripture, not oral tradition (even if that oral tradition was something an apostle told our whole church last week).

    But on the other hand, I think if we distinguish between elements, circumstances, and forms, it's not that hard to practice.

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  37. To me it all comes down to how appropriately a particular style evokes the correct and biblical mood for worship, and it will change from time to time and from culture to culture.

    In our day, churches tend to deliberately opt for a mood that is light, breezy, and casual. If you just go to their websites you'll see that the "What to Expect" page says, "You'll love our church, it's light, breezy, and casual!" They then choose forms and styles that are crafted to evoke that type of mood. The question, then, is not "Are guitars and multimedia wrong?", but "Is worship supposed to be breezy and casual?" If it's not, then we should avoid those forms and styles that make it feel that way.

    Same goes in the other direction. If worship is supposed to be profound, reverent, and joyful, then we need to employ forms and a style that evokes that mood in our context and in our time.

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  38. I agree.

    I think there is nothing light and breezy to any of God's attributes. I would agree those churches are catering.

    I have been to some churches that thought the more monotone and somber the more godly they were. It was as if growth aprt from live births meant some capitulation to modernity.

    In the Lutheran and Anglican church I visited it was like their liturgy assumed nobody were christians or if they were it was under some mosaic trip. CHanting over and over in a minor key
    Lord have mercy, CHrist have mercy,etc. Dont get me wrong Iam not opposed to a general confession but this was under the auspices of you can lose your regeneration if you dont hold up your end of the bargin and you need the supper and absolution to be forgiven again. So no wonder the joy was absent. I mean biblical joy, not goofy tbn nonsense.

    Doesnt our liturgy need to reflect more "in addition" to holiness. Is there any familialness if you permit such a word. Does godliness major in the minor tone? Again I am not vouching for jumping jack praise or anything, but look at the Jubilate Deo
    Make a joyful shout to the LORD, all you lands!
    2 Serve the LORD with gladness;
    Come before His presence with singing.
    3 Know that the LORD, He is God;
    It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves;[a]
    We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.

    4 Enter into His gates with thanksgiving,
    And into His courts with praise.
    Be thankful to Him, and bless His name.
    5 For the LORD is good;
    His mercy is everlasting,
    And His truth endures to all generations.

    When I think of the apostolic church I see images of Peter or Paul singing joyfully in a dungeon jail. The band of apostles after being flogged rejoicing. I doubt their "corporate services" were any less grace filled. Yes Iam not talking about the goofy shiny happy people rem talks about, but I do think there is more to God our Abba Father than trembling before him and treating him as some distant dignitary with reverence and awe. Jesus always told his ffearful followers, fear not little flock. He taught about Abba. These should have some instruction in how we come to Him. The Lords prayer isnt a heavy fearful trip. It is perfect. There is a confession,etc but it is to our Father.

    18 For you have not come to the mountain that[c] may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness[d] and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: “And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned[e] or shot with an arrow.”[f] 21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I am exceedingly afraid and trembling.”[g])
    22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.


    Rejoice in the Lord always. Again I will say, rejoice!
    Yes John fell at his feet as dead but what did Jesus say to him
    But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me,[h] “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. 18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen
    So there is a tension there. We knould approach him in all of his attributes, but also as we are "In the beloved" as His children. I think joy and new songs can accompany that.

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  39. Well said, Michial, well said indeed. I think you've captured the necessary harmony between the text and music that is often so lacking in contemporary music and in some traditional hymnody as well. Do you know 'A Debtor to Mercy Alone?' The text is wonderful, joyful, but the tune usually used is dreadfully unsuited to it. At my church, we assigned it a different tune- 'Green Fields' known to many as 'How Tedious and Tasteless the Hours.' We sing it at a good clip and it works perfectly. This sort of alteration is much needed for many hymns. In this case it's not iconoclasm but restoration. I imagine if we concentrated more on understanding the text and conforming the music to it, we'd have more success conveying meaning in both traditional and contemporary settings.

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  40. Jason,

    So, in short, you do affirm WCF 21.1 verbatim?

    "…But the acceptable way of worshiping the true God is instituted by himself, and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshiped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scripture."

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  41. Chris,

    So, in short, you do affirm WCF 21.1 verbatim?

    "…But the acceptable way of worshiping the true God is instituted by himself, and so limited by his own revealed will, that he may not be worshiped according to the imaginations and devices of men, or the suggestions of Satan, under any visible representation, or any other way not prescribed in the Holy Scripture."


    Well, everything except the part about Satan....

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  42. I know, right? Those puritans were so pedantic.

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  43. Andrew McCallumMay 21, 2010 4:51 PM

    To follow the example of many Seattle churches and simply target the culture of the artist (white, bohemian, unconventional) is to ignore—even exclude—both the conservative middle-age Republican and the inner city black liberal youth.

    Jason,

    Your comment above made me think about my only real visit to Seattle. I worshiped that Sunday at a downtown PCUSA Church which did not seem to be all that bad. The gospel was preached and my sense of the central message was that it was Evangelical. But what was somewhat amusing to me was that the pastor was wearing a clerical collar but he was also wearing blue jeans and biker boots and a studded leather jacket! I found myself staring at him trying to figure out just who he was trying to relate to. I'm sure his outfit was chosen with some cultural group(s) in mind, but I still wonder who they were.

    My other times in Seattle were either stopping through the airport on the way to Asia or driving North to Canada, but I don't think those visits count. I would love to come back again at some point, it seems like a really interesting place.

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  44. Evan,

    Yes, I love Debtor to mercy alone. I learned it at a...ssshhhh...a church which tastefully played the hymns with modern music.

    Using modern instruments is no violation of the RPW, especially for covenantal theologians. Read the psalms and the instruments David employs. Were they non-contemporary to his time? Were they instruments not used in the non-churchly functions, or was there a set tone or key, and group of instruments solely associated with church worship?
    Some themes in scripture relate to different acts of Gods revelations and attributes. Some call for joy, repentance,etc. But no instrument or tradition has a corner market on carrying those themes as long as they elevate those themes and not take away from them. But I do not think there is anything in scripture which prohibits variations in style or delimits instrumentation as long is His name is honored and glorified. THe only prohibition is to not alter the once delivered faith.

    In Seattle Jasons church is very traditional and a great church. I can also say the same for Greenlake. They play hymns and have the supper weekly as well but in a contemporary setting and style. Both are honoring to God and to the westminister standards and the rpw. Which is right? Both are and I challenge anyone to say one style is more pleasing to God. One can be biased based upon preference and often is, using that as his bully pulpit. But we must allow the rpw also be our regulative principle of "thoughts" or opinions.

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  45. Michial,

    You seem giddy for "traditional." I wonder what you make of ostensibly Reformed pastors/churches who explicitly employ the Willow Creek model to capture those who like a lot of wood, stained glass and processionals in their religion?

    Here's a link (at bottom) to one such place here in Little Geneva:

    http://www.thebanner.org/magazine/article.cfm?article_id=578

    Here's what I think of it:

    http://confessionalouthouse.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/why-the-traditionalists-are-of-no-help-willow-creek-for-the-raised-pinky-class/

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  46. The whole point of calling something 'traditional' is to emphasize that it's an organic expression in today's society of what's always been done. If it's instituted expressly to get people in the door, it's not traditional even though it may have some of the same elements. Besides, it's silly to talk about some kind of special class of people who understand and like 'high-brow' forms like kneeling, organs, etc. I'd like to see how Luther, Calvin, Cranmer, and Knox would react to being called 'pinky-raisers' not to mention all the semi-literate people who probably made up the largest segment of their congregations.

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  47. Zrim,

    I read the articles. I agree with you. I like your point

    A defense of a form of worship that merely meets the felt needs of raised-pinky high culture is as misguided as the contemporary expressions to which it seeks to offer alternative

    Both camps can be guilty of the same thing. THis whole thing isnt about style, just as much as God's word and the rpw does not prescribe a certain style. As long as the elements and theological content are there is my only point. Ive attended super formal reformed churches and others that used modern instruments in their formal liturgy and it didnt contradict the elements or content. That is my only point. If formalists think that is the only way the rpw can be upheld then whatever, they will just have to continue on in that opinion and hopefully brotherly love and humility will reign in these discussions. But too often some in the reformed faith(which sould garner humility and grace) often exhibit a better than thou pride which does far more damage than the types of instruments are accompanying the hymnody. May God help us and grant us a gracious spirit.

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